Throughout an interview with Republican South Dakota Senator John Thune on Friday’s CBS Mornings, the hosts repeatedly pressed the GOP lawmaker on his pro-life positions. At one level, fill-in co-host Dana Jacobson even recommended that the abortion debate centered an excessive amount of on the rights of unborn kids and never sufficient on girls.
“We’re going start this hour with the Senate Republican Minority Whip John Thune, who joins us on the desk to speak in regards to the battle over abortion rights….He says the Democratic push to enshrine a proper to an abortion into federal legislation goes too far and is out of step with most Individuals,” co-host Gayle King proclaimed at first of the 8:00 a.m. ET hour phase. She then rapidly tried to undermine his argument: “However simply final week, a CBS Information ballot discovered that 64% of Individuals are not looking for Roe v. Wade overturned.”
She turned to the Senator and requested: “…you voted towards to codify Roe v. Wade. Why did you vote that manner? What was your considering?” Thune instantly fact-checked her incorrect description of the unconventional pro-abortion laws: “…that vote was extra than simply codifying Roe, which is why they misplaced even individuals who usually help Roe vs. Wade on our facet….it was extra expansive, it went past Roe, and it was a bit of laws I feel they knew was going to fail.”
He then speculated: “I feel Senator Schumer did it to fulfill a political constituency that wished that vote, however knew it was going to fail.” Co-host Tony Dokoupil chimed in with Chuck Schumer’s Democratic speaking factors: “He thinks it’s going to impress Democrats within the midterms. Is there any concern on the Republican facet that this challenge may, in reality, impress Democrats?”
Thune hit again: “Effectively, I feel that they’re searching for one thing to distract from the financial system, inflation, and the border and among the points that they’d fairly not speak about.”
Moments later, King continued to grab on deceptive polling numbers: “However most Individuals, it appears, help Roe v. Wade. Would you help it with some restrictions?” Thune once more introduced information that the liberal media anchor was omitting:
Effectively, I feel to your level, Gayle, should you have a look at the way in which this polls, should you – you understand, Roe vs. Wade, principally the choice, the Supreme Courtroom determination, mentioned the states’ curiosity turns into compelling on the level of viability, which retains shifting again. And you understand, proper now 65% of Individuals don’t suppose you should have abortions previous the primary trimester, so into the second or third trimester. 80% imagine you shouldn’t have them after the second trimester.
He additionally identified that the US is “actually out of step with the world” in relation to abortion, being “one among solely seven international locations on the planet that permits abortions after 20 weeks, and people embody, in fact, North Korea and China.”
A short while later, Jacobson anxious that there was an excessive amount of concern for the tens of thousands and thousands of unborn kids who’ve been aborted because the Roe v. Wade ruling was issued in 1973:
…we hear a lot about, as you speak about, when does life start? There’s a whole lot of discuss of what the rights are of be it a fetus, be it an unborn little one, nonetheless you check with that. What in regards to the girls and the households that we’re speaking about and their rights, too? How do you stability that within the consideration?
Partially, Thune responded: “I feel that the accountability for individuals who maintain a pro-life place isn’t simply to state that and examine the field, you’ve acquired to truly show that you simply’re keen to assist look after mothers who’re going to hold infants to – to the purpose of start.”
Jacobson declared: “Or give mothers an opportunity to have that say, potential mothers to manage some of what’s their physique additionally. Belief in them, and in medical doctors, additionally.” Dokoupil ominously concluded: “It’s a really huge deal for a authorities to inform a lady she has to hold a being pregnant by to time period. I feel all of us agree on that.”
Wrapping up the trade, King urged Thune to inform his Republican colleagues to return on the printed, laughably claiming: “We’re very pleasant right here. We like all factors of view.”
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Here’s a full transcript of the Might 13 interview:
8:02 AM ET
GAYLE KING: We’re going start this hour with the Senate Republican Minority Whip John Thune, who joins us on the desk to speak in regards to the battle over abortion rights after that gorgeous – and gorgeous is the phrase – the leak from the Supreme Courtroom on Roe v. Wade. He says the Democratic push to enshrine a proper to an abortion into federal legislation goes too far and is out of step with most Individuals. However simply final week, a CBS Information ballot discovered that 64% of Individuals are not looking for Roe v. Wade overturned.
Senator John Thune, we’re comfortable to say, joins us on the desk. We find it irresistible whenever you come into the studio, it’s good to have you ever in particular person. Wish to discuss to you in regards to the vote final week, you voted towards to codify Roe v. Wade. Why did you vote that manner? What was your considering?
SEN. JOHN THUNE [R-SD]: Effectively, I’ve been – I’ve a historical past in my time in public lifetime of being pro-life, however that vote was extra than simply codifying Roe, which is why they misplaced even individuals who usually help Roe vs. Wade on our facet, individuals like Senators Collins and Murkowski. However principally it was extra expansive, it went past Roe, and it was a bit of laws I feel they knew was going to fail. We had that vote, truly, just a few weeks in the past. And I feel Senator Schumer did it to fulfill a political constituency that wished that vote, however knew it was going to fail.
TONY DOKOUPIL: He thinks it’s going to impress Democrats within the midterms. Is there any concern on the Republican facet that this challenge may, in reality, impress Democrats?
THUNE: Effectively, I feel that they’re searching for one thing to distract from the financial system, inflation, and the border and among the points that they’d fairly not speak about. I feel this is a matter, it is a pivot – clear pivot on their half to attempt to get on one thing that they suppose they’ll play offense with. However a whole lot of it’s going to return right down to – and the politics round this challenge may be very contentious, all the time has been.
KING: Fraught is an effective phrase to make use of.
THUNE: Fraught is an effective phrase.
KING: On either side.
THUNE: It’s. And so how that performs politically stays to be seen as a result of there are numerous locations across the nation clearly the place you – should you’re a candidate operating and also you’re a pro-life candidate, that’s going to work to your political benefit.
KING: However most Individuals, it appears, help Roe v. Wade. Would you help it with some restrictions?
THUNE: Effectively, I feel to your level, Gayle, should you have a look at the way in which this polls, should you – you understand, Roe vs. Wade, principally the choice, the Supreme Courtroom determination, mentioned the states’ curiosity turns into compelling on the level of viability, which retains shifting again. And you understand, proper now 65% of Individuals don’t suppose you should have abortions previous the primary trimester, so into the second or third trimester. 80% imagine you shouldn’t have them after the second trimester.
And we’re actually out of step with the world. I imply, we’re one among solely seven international locations on the planet that permits abortions after 20 weeks, and people embody, in fact, North Korea and China. Most European nations, France is at 14 weeks, Germany’s at 12 weeks. So most international locations have discovered a political consensus round restrictions which can be I assume would begin a lot sooner in a being pregnant than –
DOKOUPIL: Is that the place you’re? Would you enable it?
DANA JACOBSON: I used to be gonna say, so why not help one thing that had these restrictions in these timelines that you simply converse of?
THUNE: I feel the query for lots of people goes to be, is it a human life and when does that – when does life start? I feel what you’re gonna see is state legislatures – as a result of this doesn’t put off it, it simply returns it to the states.
KING: To the state stage, yeah.
THUNE: Are gonna have to seek out political consensus, and a few states are most likely going to outline it in a different way. My place has all the time been exceptions – rape, incest, lifetime of the mom – however a ban.
KING: I’m questioning should you’re nonetheless having fun with your job, and I’m asking you that as a result of there’s a bestselling guide out proper now, I do know you’ve heard of it, This Will Not Move, it says you thought of not operating for re-election this yr, however Senate Minority Chief Mitch McConnell mentioned, “Maintain on only a second, Senator.” So first, are you having fun with your job? And why did you – is it true that you simply thought of not operating for re-election?
THUNE: Effectively, I did –
KING: Is {that a} good smile?
THUNE: I’ve acquired – nicely, I’ve acquired, you understand, such as you, I’ve acquired grandkids now operating round. It was – it was a tough – arduous determination. However in the long run, you do issues since you suppose it’s some place you can also make a distinction, and I’d wish to imagine public life remains to be a spot the place you can also make a distinction.
JACOBSON: In going again to the start dialogue, there’s one thought – we hear a lot about, as you speak about, when does life start? There’s a whole lot of discuss of what the rights are of be it a fetus, be it an unborn little one, nonetheless you check with that. What in regards to the girls and the households that we’re speaking about and their rights, too? How do you stability that within the consideration?
THUNE: Effectively, I feel you need to – you’ve acquired to be compassionate. And you understand, the answer, should you’re a pro-life particular person, and I’m, and should you imagine that’s a human life, then you definately imagine it must be protected. However there’s additionally – there may be – there’s a mother and a whole lot of weak mothers, and I feel that the accountability for individuals who maintain a pro-life place isn’t simply to state that and examine the field, you’ve acquired to truly show that you simply’re keen to assist look after mothers who’re going to hold infants to – to the purpose of start.
JACOBSON: Or give mothers an opportunity to have that say, potential mothers to manage some of what’s their physique additionally. Belief in them, and in medical doctors, additionally.
DOKOUPIL: One of many questions is – nicely, go forward.
THUNE: Effectively, no, I imply, I feel that you simply’re proper. And that’s why, you understand, as you have a look at this challenge, as I’ve mentioned, you’ve acquired to do it in a manner – I feel there’s a compassionate manner and perceive that your influence.
Now I’m not – I’m a middle-aged white man, I’m most likely not the one that needs to be speaking a few topic like this, however I even have a spouse and two very completed daughters who’re pro-life. And –
KING: However you’re a middle-aged white man able of energy to make a distinction on one thing to thousands and thousands of ladies.
THUNE: And I feel you need to pay attention – you need to pay attention very fastidiously to what persons are saying. However in the long run, if I’m going to err, I’m going to err on the facet of life.
However I feel and the way you establish the plan of action goes to be largely primarily based upon the place the political consensus is, and I feel, you understand, proper now, it is a determination that has been made by 9 unelected judges, and it’s now going to return to the individuals and their elected representatives, which is, I feel, the place a whole lot of of us suppose points like this needs to be determined.
DOKOUPIL: It’s a really huge deal for a authorities to inform a lady she has to hold a being pregnant by to time period.
KING: Sure.
DOKOUPIL: I feel all of us agree on that.
KING: And would you inform a few of your different middle-aged white males that we like middle-aged white males right here on the desk. Unfold the phrase. We’re very pleasant right here. We like all factors of view.
JACOBSON: We like all individuals, proper? We like everyone.
KING: We like all factors of view.
DOKOUPIL: That comes very near calling me middle-aged.
THUNE: Effectively, you’re not fairly there but.
DOKOUPIL: And I nonetheless declare to be youthful. Senator Thune, thanks very a lot.
THUNE: Thanks.
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